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Being so big of a system, there are some people who aren't very close to one another. Everyone likes each other, but I think it would be good for everyone to know each other even better.
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So spending more time working on things collaboratively can be a goal while we work on shrinking our size down
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I have priorities.
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Fuyuhiko | Space Scouts 3(🏝)0 BOT 8/20/2023 4:22 AM
Sounds like a good plan
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DuccDuckGoose 8/20/2023 6:58 AM
Am k supposed to respond?
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We typically don't check peoples daily progress cuz disordered system
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But this seems interesting
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Ah okay cool
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Possession comes in a bit later btw
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And separation comes naturally
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(We joined the community through tulpamancy before realizing disordered)
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first time possession apparently feels like trying to deadlift a boulder for the tulpa
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DuccDuckGoose 8/20/2023 7:02 AM
Can confirm
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We have one
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Alli //🌳 🦟 BOT 8/20/2023 7:02 AM
I was out for most of today after trying to do it last night.
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DuccDuckGoose 8/20/2023 7:03 AM
I suggest trying to like wiggle a finger first-
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Get to bigger stuff much much later
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DuccDuckGoose
Possession comes in a bit later btw
DuccDuckGoose 8/20/2023 7:03 AM
I also wouldn't do it til y'all are very seperate
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I guess them getting tired from it is a good sign that it does work
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DuccDuckGoose 8/20/2023 7:04 AM
Maybe
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For a while id type for Tilda with her helping a little
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That's how we'd practice
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I'm very happy to hear you're having success with your confidence :) That's exactly what we were hoping for. To answer your questions: 1. Separation comes naturally with time, but explicit affirmations ("this is my tulpa," "this is me" re: thoughts) helps us :) 2. My advice here may not be as useful, because I don't see much of a useful distinction between "possession" and "switching"--in my experience, they're the same thing, and figuring out how is very closely tied with how you experience the distinction between yourself and your tulpa. I would agree with the advice that that's a "when your tulpa is more distinct and strong" thing, although I don't necessarily think the "lifting a boulder" thing is accurate. I was at first overwhelmed by bodily sensations, but actually moving is as easy as it is for my host
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Ale𝕏andra 🍄🐈 8/20/2023 10:20 PM
nice nice nice!
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tulpas are great to get menu advice from, double points if they also learn to cook
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Ulithium_Dragon | Maledy | Freya 8/20/2023 10:21 PM
My tulpas like to experience the food we eat. Sometimes I let them pick what we eat, and ask them if i cant decide (edited)
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Ale𝕏andra 🍄🐈 8/20/2023 10:24 PM
part of our notes about our system has always included food preference differences, and those preferences have stuck with us
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KiTkAT( •̀ .̫ •́ )✧/jk 8/21/2023 11:40 AM
that all sounds great, happy for you to have such a fullfilling experience
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Hos does the whole minds eye thing work?
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I'm having the issue of not being able to hold images, or seeing my inner world in flashes and blurry ones at that
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Ale𝕏andra 🍄🐈 8/21/2023 1:16 PM
hit us with that list! also, sounds like you are having conversations with Henri that you both get a lot out of... honestly sounds like you've already cracked this, what's your take on that?
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Oh so you like, gotta hone in on the literal origin of the thoughts in your head?
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KiTkAT( •̀ .̫ •́ )✧/jk 8/21/2023 7:06 PM
you aren’t cracking the code, you are making it
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that’s the secret
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Deleted User 8/21/2023 7:32 PM
I made a plan to regularly force (everyday) with ChatGPT. Can anybody help me review it? I don't know if that'll really help
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I made a plan to regularly force (everyday) with ChatGPT. Can anybody help me review it? I don't know if that'll really help
KiTkAT( •̀ .̫ •́ )✧/jk 8/21/2023 7:33 PM
What’s the plan?
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Deleted User 8/21/2023 7:35 PM
Chat GPT gave me this:
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Monday: Meditation Morning: Coordinated Breathing Meditation (10 minutes) Evening: Individual Meditation (10 minutes) Tuesday: Communication/Vocalization Morning: Thought Responses (10 minutes) Evening: Developing Inner Voice (10 minutes) Wednesday: Wonderland Access and Building Morning: Adding Interactivity and Details (10 minutes) Evening: Shared Wonderland Adventures (10 minutes) Thursday: Meditation Morning: Individual Meditation (10 minutes) Evening: Coordinated Breathing Meditation (10 minutes) Friday: Communication/Vocalization Morning: Developing Inner Voice (10 minutes) Evening: Thought Responses (10 minutes) Saturday: Memory Sharing and Recall Morning: Linked Emotions and Complex Memories (10 minutes) Evening: Sharing Simple Memories (10 minutes) Sunday: Communication/Vocalization Morning: Thought Responses (10 minutes) Evening: Developing Inner Voice (10 minutes) Repeat the Cycle: Continue this weekly plan, ensuring that you're addressing each skill based on its priority. Feel free to adjust the plan as needed to best suit your progress and preferences with Velvet.
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I asked it what skills might be useful and it gave me those, then I asked for a plan to train them
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(the long text above is that plan)
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KiTkAT( •̀ .̫ •́ )✧/jk 8/21/2023 7:36 PM
ask it to explain the exercises
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unless it was explained before
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Deleted User 8/21/2023 7:37 PM
I know what it means, the question is, will this kind of planning work/help with tulpamancy in general? I don't do enough atm, but planning it out like this might be a bad idea
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KiTkAT( •̀ .̫ •́ )✧/jk 8/21/2023 7:38 PM
imo whatever you do will help
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having a plan that you stick to is a good tool
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why trust a neural network?
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KiTkAT( •̀ .̫ •́ )✧/jk 8/21/2023 7:39 PM
all you need to do is do exercises with an intention of building a tulpa
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that plan is as helpful as whatever you hear from a human, but without the unhelpful layers that humans usually include
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KiTkAT( •̀ .̫ •́ )✧/jk
that plan is as helpful as whatever you hear from a human, but without the unhelpful layers that humans usually include
this is not to say chatgpt will necessarily never insert an unhelpful layer
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KiTkAT( •̀ .̫ •́ )✧/jk 8/21/2023 7:40 PM
i heard itms chatgpt’s hobby (edited)
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chatgpt is a parrot that repeats fragments it's heard from people on the internet
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KiTkAT( •̀ .̫ •́ )✧/jk 8/21/2023 7:41 PM
sounds like what humans do to me
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so yeah
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Deleted User 8/21/2023 7:42 PM
Hm. Is there a "best kind" of forcing? Like, is wonderland better than narration or better than playing chess together?
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KiTkAT( •̀ .̫ •́ )✧/jk 8/21/2023 7:44 PM
what kind of forcing sounds most fun to you?
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Velvet // AETERNIA BOT 8/21/2023 7:45 PM
I hate most of them, tbh. I try to force myself to do them anyways. Once I get better at them, it'll be more fun
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Deleted User 8/21/2023 7:45 PM
Why did I write this in proxy again? Sorry, I was meant to say that
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KiTkAT( •̀ .̫ •́ )✧/jk 8/21/2023 7:45 PM
Ok, so what do you want to do together eventually (edited)
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Deleted User 8/21/2023 7:46 PM
I want to have a cool wonderland I can wander around in. Velvet wants to go for long walks and talk or write poetry together
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KiTkAT( •̀ .̫ •́ )✧/jk 8/21/2023 7:46 PM
Then you can do all of that now as forcing
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go for a long walk and imagine your tulpa walking next to you
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focus on feeling their presence
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Deleted User 8/21/2023 7:47 PM
Meditating is supposed to help, I'll try that as well.
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KiTkAT( •̀ .̫ •́ )✧/jk 8/21/2023 7:47 PM
sit down and write poetry, when you run out of ideas just sit back and wait for an idea to pop up expecting velvet to give you one and when it comes say “oh thanks velvet” (edited)
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I just told my friend about headmates
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how'd it go?
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he essentially went fucking "cool lol"
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the best case scenario tbqh
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yeah but like
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he's a normie how is THAT your response
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not even any pushback
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he didn't even go like "what?"
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Ulithium_Dragon | Maledy | Freya 8/22/2023 1:14 AM
The few friends I've told have just asked a lot of questions and been intruiged by it
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Not like, judgement questions or anything, like guinuine curiosity
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Most of my friends who were accepting of it end up realizing they already had tulpa like thoughtforms from roleplay or just straight up made a tulpa
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woo my tulpa, Tako, is beginning to diverge in interests and personality I think now. When i asked him to choose a pfp for his google and disc the google one was something i wouldn't have chosen and even slightly argued against (i gave in at the end)
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oh and he gave me q nickname that wasnt the one I was originally wanting him to call me
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he started calling me Bara-bee
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Chihiro (he/they) | Space Scouts 3(🏝)0 BOT 8/22/2023 5:17 AM
Nice
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That’s good progress
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feels so embarrassing to say 😭
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definitely is a long process
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Chihiro (he/they) | Space Scouts 3(🏝)0 BOT 8/22/2023 5:22 AM
Yeah that’s fair
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Ulithium_Dragon | Maledy | Freya 8/22/2023 6:01 AM
I was successfully able to let my new tulpa, Freya, switch and partially possess tonight. It went really well, but I remember the strangest part about the experience is I (we?) could feel I had a tail and wings, since she has a tail and wings. That was unexpected. Not bad, just a very novel experience (edited)
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Atlas ˗ˏˋM&M´ˎ˗ BOT 8/22/2023 6:02 AM
Interesting. When Ben used to have a tail, he could feel it when fronting.
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Chihiro (he/they) | Space Scouts 3(🏝)0 BOT 8/22/2023 6:52 AM
Yeah we have a similar experience
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sometimes kaybee likes to experience having extra arms so we've had those sensations like once or twice
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usually just before we sleep though, when we get really blurry
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Ulithium_Dragon | Maledy | Freya
I was successfully able to let my new tulpa, Freya, switch and partially possess tonight. It went really well, but I remember the strangest part about the experience is I (we?) could feel I had a tail and wings, since she has a tail and wings. That was unexpected. Not bad, just a very novel experience (edited)
Ale𝕏andra 🍄🐈 8/22/2023 11:27 AM
nice! Sensation of extra limbs etc. is interesting to me as well, for me it's a tail and ears/horns
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at this point, I'd be put off the idea of changing my form to not have things like that because it would mean losing out on something that feels very immersive and tbh quite comforting to me/us
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Chihiro (he/they) | Space Scouts 3(🏝)0 BOT 8/22/2023 11:33 AM
Yeah, agreed, our long haired members have phantom hair sensation, meaning that they can feel their hair cascading down their back
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When Gin’s fronting his favourite thing to do is to get his boyfriend to play with his hair and the imposition is pretty vivid for him, it’s pretty wild
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Deleted User 8/22/2023 1:33 PM
oh we do both of those too. sweet
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A long kiss goodnight 8/22/2023 8:42 PM
I have been struggling a lot lately because I think the term tulpa is racist and I have been (badly) playing a game of "try not to say tulpa". I am doing research to get things backed up with academic articles and stuff, but I realized that's not going to happen overnight. I'm not going to be mad at you for saying tulpa when I can't really prove its racist just yet, but for my sake I am going to use comate instead of tulpa so I can talk about cocreation without feeling like I can't talk
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yeah we're not a fan of the term either, we've been trying to stick to 'headmate' as much as possible
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KiTkAT( •̀ .̫ •́ )✧/jk 8/22/2023 8:46 PM
headmate club here
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calling it tulpa and tulpamancy is just silly
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hate how there's no real good alternative that the majority of the community will gravitate towards though
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if the term eventually falls into disuse there's only gonna be a splintering of the community
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A long kiss goodnight 8/22/2023 8:47 PM
I like that comate gives me a term I can identify with. I feel like headmate doesn't do me justice there
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